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that the sh we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal, left wing agenda. it used to be considered a mainstream agenda. and it's something we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is ancation of, you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they can't even accept what used to be centrist mainstream positions on these issues. i'm an optimist. we try every other option before we finally do the right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that's true for congress, as well. and i think it's important for americans to remember politics have always been messy. people have been asking me a lot about the film "lincoln" and -- >> is this your lincoln moment? >> well, no. look, i never compare myself to lincoln and, b, the magnitude of the issues are quite different from
away from the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> there seems to be some politics behind this announcement right now as we hit the ceiling. as you make the calculations, it seemed to me as if they were only going to hit the ceiling in february or march next year anyway. the fact that he comes out and says actually we're shutting the ceiling now and i have to make all these adjustments so we hit only in february seems to me that there is a bit of politics going on already and trying to increase the pressure on the republicans to agree at the year end. >> i wonder how much is priced into the markets. despite the fact that we're going partially over the cliff or doing the coyote/roadrunner thing in the air, i'm just not sure that we are necessarily going to see a huge move. among other things, it seems the market is tired of the political wrangling'. >> indeed. i think what is priced in is that this is priced in at a slope. it's something that's going accumulate over the year and is going to hit the gdp if it really hits over the course of the whole year, not all in january. it's not going to
're not that confident any more. and i think something has -- this fiscal cliff has something to do about it. but people are scared in the u.s. right now. you increase their taxes, increase their savings, i'm not saying it's a bad thing for them, but it's a bad thing for the economy. >> so you're saying this has caught on now. it was a while before consumers didn't get the fiscal cliff idea. we are getting closer to the worst case scenario and you're saying it's timely caught on with main street. >> we're talking about money. money is is 00% emotional. put those two together and all of a sudden people get protective. as a result, they will begin to save and not spend. we need people to spend money. we need people to buy things .right now, the responsibility thing for the americans to do is not to do that until this gets resolved. >> ralph, you're with us for the full hour. fantastic. find us on twitter if you want to get in touch with karen or myself. up next, we speak to the man who says he can save italy's economy from mistakes which have been made across europe. >> europe has taken a stiffer route. t
monetary and fiscal reforms. we have the shanghai composite there up about a quarter percent. >>> all right. in today's top stories, the u.s. is five days away from going over the fiscal cliff. president obama is cutting his holiday vacation short, returning to washington tomorrow to continue talks to try to avoid that automatic tax hike and spending cut combination. that's the same day that congress returns to town. before the president left town on friday, he suggested a stopgap measure to freeze tax rates for people making less than $250,000 a year and extend unemployment benefits. reports say white house staffers have been quietly working with senate democrats to come up with a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff, but little progress has been made. >>> a chinese ratings agency is putting the u.s. on negative watch citing troubles with long-term debt issues. on a statement on its web site, global credit says each political party insists on the proposition favorable for its own interest. it expects u.s. debt to rise to 105% of gdp this year and warns the country will probably fall into recessi
return to washington. maybe, allen, just maybe, some resolution of fiscal cliff talks about the end of the week? >> well, just maybe. the trouble is, they look pretty entrenched right now. i think for some ways for the market perspective, that's going to be what we want. but i would say we're beginning to price in the possibility. >> that it doesn't happen, yeah. continuing with the region, the south korean government is forecasting a mild recovery next year. the finance ministry has set a growth target of % for 2013. that compares to the bank's earlier projection of 3.2%. the central bank has now to continue supporting growth. both of these statements were pushing the won higher. you can see the dollar/won trazing down about 0.5% today. >>> a slowdown in the country of china is proving to be short lived. power generation and food processing firms are leading the recovery. >>> and germany's latest exports seems to be recession proof. it's a tradition dating back to the middle ages, but germany's christmas markets are more popular than ever. nbc's andy eckh artson sends this report.
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